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Honda CB
450cc
90/91 (H)
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The HONDA CB 450 DX,
Last of the Long Running “Super Dreams 250 &400 ” saw the Birth of the up rated 450 twin in of all places “Brazil”, a New Honda Factory was Built in the Jungle for this New (Old) bike in the late 80s. And it was available in Britain from 89 to 93 as the DX with the Odd American Imported Rebel & 450C appearing from time to time ( a Nice looking Custom).
Never Really Bought By the Speed Merchants , or Cruisers and too Big for the 125 market
This Bike pops up regularly in an around the sub £500 Bracket
or £600 with T & T to you mate ;) .
(I have seen the Odd one Derestricted for the New 2 year BHP Limit , easily done they say.)
Well What Can Be Said About a Very Average Motorcycle?
Perhaps the Best thing is That it is Average,
It’s a HONDA after all.
it do’s every thing it says on the Box !,It go’s it Stops & Starts with little Fuss or Problem.
It is Still Lighter enough to be Manhandled if Need be ,But Feels Heavier enough to be Firm.
The Frame was Made for the 400 , It was I believe the 250 Dreams that Suffered by having to logg around its mass by sharing the same frame ( Giving them a Bad Rep’ in there Day).
So the 450 has little Trouble & Pulls a “Bit” Quicker. Its aprox 48 bhp & a Oil Cooled Twin.
But its Not a Sports Bike,
Though its Small Cow Horn Bars and a Long Petrol Tank (On the DX) Put you in a Forward Sports Slouch.
It can Keep up easy enough with General Traffic & Can Out power the Average Car,
Delivery is Smooth and Feels faster than it is,
My example on what is Now a 18 year old Bike feels Very much Like the Universal Jap 4 Cylinder (Thanks to Mr Hondas Balance Shafts) very Smooth & Quite..
Zoom through the 6 Speed Box and you Can ,Keep up with Most Bikes not trying to lose you in Normal use, Probably Slows some what Before 80mph & has Seen the Ton (100) Once .
But in 6th Gear (Probably an Overdrive) it would easily Cruise at Any Speed up to the Legal Limit.
OK You Could Hammer it, Blast off, and Keep up & Beat on a Good Day a Sports Bike, With a Bit of Luck & a Timed Rider.. But (A) It would Not Last Long & (B) Not on mine you Dont !.
Right It’s a Twin ,That Feels More like a Four (To Me) Makes a Good Short Range Commuter with the ability for a Genital Week end Blast , For Me the Riding Position would Stop me from Touring to Far. But an Ex Sports Rider would find the Bars higher than the Norm.
While it is a Old Design, Any Faults have long since been Ironed Out.
And with the “Super Dream” Heritage they Should be Loads of Rusting Spares & add on’s out there in the second Hand & Junk Market .
New Bits are still available l inc cheap service bits Via the Web & old Honda Dealers.
Up to Now Mine has been Reliable , Seat Comfy , Tank Huge 17 ltr, Lights and indicators good. In fact all Equipment good it’s a Honda.
Bad Points, No Soul, No Posseabilty…its Just a Use full Bike at the Right Price..
Why they are a Few Cheap Ones Around is that the Born again Bikers Want the Sports Bike or Harley of there Choice and have the Money,
While the Poor Still favour the Mz, or Rat Chopper. Or any Scrapped Sports Bike… Which Leaves a Few Good & Cheap Very useful Bikes out there in the Old Middle Ground.
So there you Are, Would I swop mine Yes !, Would I Keep it Definitely its Useful & Cheap.
So: 45 MPG min…100 mph top.. 60/70 Cruise..48 Bhp..& Plenty of Parts Still….”Honda”
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Honda ST Pan European
1300cc
Sept '06 (56)
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I got this bike as a direct replacement for a Triumph Trophy 1200 that I'd had for 3 years, Mechanically I find the Honda better than the older Triumph; Electrically it's a bit of a disaster the battery has gone flat on me 5 times in 16 months despite it being plugged into an optimate! The handling is good, it has a far more 'planted' feel about it, it's a bit snatchy -due to the Fuel injection- in 1st gear, but this discretion is more than made up for by the smoothness of the power delivery once you get moving (and it sounds great when you really open the throttle!)
The major issues I have with the Honda (and these are relative to the Triumph) are the paint on the bike is very soft and scratches/rubs off easily, The weather protection is nowhere near as good as the Triumph was and servicing, at every 4k, is very expensive! but I think this is down to which dealer you use, shopping around is vital here, my dealer charged £250 for a simple 4k service that was supposed to be a levels check only! (I had the same service done at the Honda dealer in Morecambe for £90?!
I now (the warrantee is finished) do my own services.
However for the comfort, pleasure and a rather strange feeling of 'safeness' when being out on the bike I'm more than happy with the Pan!
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Honda XR
125cc
Sept '03 (53)
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great first bike , many people say not the fastest but one you discover how to ride it propely , can be very fun and quick. all round great bike with good reliability , excellent mpg ( 75mpg!!!), great handling and easy to ride.
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Honda CB
250cc
Apr '00 (W)
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I love this bike. It is the perfect commuter bike, and has the power to carry my wife on the back too. It's nippy, sounds throaty, comfortable, and very reliable. I do 26 miles a day in London and the 80+mpg is a massive benefit. Very economical. If you have a restricted full license (25kw or 33bhp) then this is your absolute best choice for a motorbike, unless you put a restrictor on a big bike (which is expensive). You won't regret getting on of these.
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Honda CBR
1100cc
Apr '99 (T)
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Our CBR1100XX Super Blackbird.
In the best colour Red. Wow what a bike. Handles like a dream, superb cornering, fast on acceleration. Comfortable seats for long hauls. As much fun as one can get with their clothes on. S*x on 2 wheels.
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Honda XR
125cc
Sept '07 (57)
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This is a great bike for commuting locally, it does 80mpg and feels bigger and more comfortable than other 125's. My son bought this bike New and he is 5'10" and it did not look small for him like many in its class.I now use the bike as a run around and being just over 5' I find it easy to ride too. Being a Honda four stroke that only reaches 60-65mph it will be reliable for ever. The choke can be tricky until you get used to it, with 2 positions, the first is not enough to start and the 2nd position can be too much! Having said this, when the bike is used daily there is no need for choke. Insurance for this bike can be expensive for youngsters as the bike is classed as on/off road which also is the reason that Honda only give 3 months warranty,not 2 years.
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Honda VFR
800cc
Apr '99 (T)
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I have always wanted one since the single sided 800 came out some 12 yrs ago. I picked my 99 FiX up a yr ago from my local Kent Motorcycles. It had 22k on and a very detailed full history, something to always look for. All the body work is original and datatagged, it hasn't even been dropped. I checked the bike and then flicked the starter, there was that sound, not like a screaming inline but a purpose rumble only a v engine can give, and that sweet low whine that tells you it ain't got a chain drive but cogs directly driving the cams, another bonus with all the cam chain adjuster failings I have experienced. As you set off there is power right where you need it, from about 3k it just builds up, not a smack of sudden power but before you know your moving through the gears and making quick progress. It isn't the fastest bike I have owned but keeps up with most modern 600 sports bikes, my friend has a zx6 and we often ride together. What I like is the way it does everything without really trying. Lots of protection from the wind without buying a replacement screen and i'm 5' 11" tall, you don't get cramped up and the bars are at a nice hight, something you will appreciate if you have ridden a sports bike for more than a 100 miles without stopping.Infact the only time I find myself needing to stop is for other riders or when my fuel gauge tells me and that can be some 180 miles of fun later. The VFR has a good easy to read display which includes LED temp and fuel. In my year of ownership I udse it constantly to travel to work and ride out for fun. It has never let me down I have't needed to replace a tyre in 6k, and only made one adjustment on the chain, I beleive this is directly down to the way it makes its power, smooth and liner. Over all I would say it is the best allrouder and the best of many I have owned in my 28 yrs of riding. It is very well made, as you would expect from Honda, many people remark on it's condition, reliability has been faultless, comfort is proberly the best for a sports tourer, handling well it isn't as quick as a sports bike to drop into a turn but still it turns in without any issues and you can get on the throttle earlier with the big v. After a long time playing with the settings I have found a setting which suits my heavy build and gives good feedback what the bike is doing. Braking well this is the first linked system I have ridden and after an intial soft long travel issue, fixed with new pads and fluid, I can't really tell the difference in my ridding, which can be quite spirited, MPG that depends on that twist grip on the right, anywhere between 35-50mpg I have experienced and it loves the higher grade fuels. Running costs, apart from the early brake issue which is a service part, I have't even needed to top up the oil, so one service at £120 and an Mot. Preformance wise I certainly don't need any more, having said that I am thinking of increasing the rear sprocket which will lower the gearing and release a little more power but I ride a lot in town and it is something I want to try to help with low speed filtering. I have ridden the V-TEC version of my bike and must say I still prefer mine. For sale, not likely I can't find any bike I would rather have at the moment
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Honda CBR
600cc
87/88 (E)
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The jelly mould!
Mine is now minus fairing lowers after rear end shunt, after tidying up the wiring I think it looks better.
Handles predictably, can easily get the pegs down without getting out of shape, Bridgestone Battlax 45s good for grip wet and dry, good wear rate.
Will do 140 mph on the clock, pulls from 40 mph in top but doesnt take off until 6000revs.Can be soft and a revvy screamer too.
Does 45mpg average, can do 60 mpg or 22mpg.
Quite comfy seat good riding position, screen is a bit low and wind buffets your head unless you tuck in a bit.
The handlebars are at a weird angle but can be turned round on the fork tops if locating pins are removed.
Turn the forks round to one side and turn the bar until you can get two fingers in between the bar grip and the side of the tank.
Brakes need regular cleaning/ taking off calipers.Be careful you dont damage the piston heat inserts when squeezing the pistons back in.
WHAT GOES WRONG.
Mechanicals
Its a Honda so not much, however mine has done 100,000mls.
The cam chain tensioner sticks, so a rattle when starting now doesnt disappear, get another.DONT remove the plungerfrom the tensioner as someone suggests!
I replaced the cam chain at 50/000 mls it was still only part worn.
The cam followers are located into the head with a ball socket providing movement by the cam lobe, if a tinkle/ rattle comes from the head even though the tappets have been done, look here.the loose bit can sometimes be peened/centre punched around to tighten it up.
Tappets, yes it doesnt use shims!! adjustment lasts ages, which is good as access under the frame rails is limited.
The rear wheel spindle needs greased, I dont use coppaslip, white waterproof lithium grease is good for all parts, including brake pistons.
Early disks with lots of holes in can crack between holes, later discs with less holes fit.
The rear cush drive rubbers get compressed and can easily be replaced or shimmed up with a suitable material, I used buisness cards!! they dont get wet.
The fairing mounts and locating tags are VERY easily damaged(this is a 20 year old bike!!)
Electricals
The 3 yellow wires from the offside genny casing connect to the voltage rectifier on the frame behind the carbs, the connector at the rear end of the tank on the frame can corrode and burn out the connector, sometimes causing the battery/ rectifier to take a huff.Get a new set of connectors and holder from Lucas agent or city electricals(car stuff)
The headlight bulb and the beam height adjuster(near side under the clocks by near side headlamp shell)are a pig to get to, it may be easier to take the clocks off (5 screws)and lay them over to the near side.
I tried relays and a 100w/80w bulb, but the high beam terminal kept melting!! so I changed back to 60/55 and found the beam much brighter than standard. two relays will fit by the fuseholder under the nearside front cockpit filler panel.See google for info or get fused relays from Halfords,with instructions, or, a lot cheaper, a Lucas agent.
To get the oil filter off you can hammer a screwdriver through the filter side to side at the front and lever round to get off...be sure to have a new filter ready.
The ignition sender in the near side engine casing can go, with no sparks the motor will not run and the unit will have to be replaced, second hand is cheaper.
Despite all the above I have found the bike very reliable, easy handling with enough zip above 6000rpm to keep up with newer bikes on "A"&"B" roads, however above 120 on motorways it shows its age.
A downside for a bike 21 years old is people say "it doesnt look that old" which shows what a ground breaking bike it was.
Parts are starting to get harder to get esp plastics.
Anyone looking for a classic ish jap will find a great allrounder/ second bike which is far from boring.
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Honda Deauville
700cc
Apr '06 (06)
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Returned to motorcycling after a three year absence. Really wanted a VFR800 (which was my last bike) but I live in Melbourne, Aus, and have accumulated a few too many demerit (speeding) points. Chose a 2006 Deauville as it seemed to fit the bill of not being too pricey and providing a few weekend thrills without putting the licence at risk. Enjoy the comfort of the bike but must say I find the gearbox pretty agricultural. I've taken it back to the Honda shop for them to check it out as it gets quite rough in slow traffic. Pretty torquey motor for 680cc - mind you, it is a V-twin. It gets along quite nicely even though the bike weighs well over 200kg. First time I've had a proper topbox and heated grips. A gentleman's ride!
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Honda Melody
50cc
81 (W)
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Had my Honda Melody for 2years now,reliable and a great fun little scooter.Its done me proud for its age.Be sad when i sell it to upgrade to a bigger bike.
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